Big American Job Killers & their Indian Accomplices

Greedy U.S. corporations and venal American politicians are the biggest killers of jobs for U.S. workers through their support for outsourcing to third world countries.

And their biggest accomplices have been Indian companies and their hordes of low wage coolies.

Here’s a partial list of Indian companies that are among the most prominent job killers for American workers.

Some Big American Job Killers

Company  – Employees
IBM India
– 74,000 (end of 2007)
HP India (including EDS India) – 57,000
GE India – 14,500
…..and their Indian Accomplices
Company  Employees
Tata Consultancy Services
– 116,308 (end of June, 2008; 9.2% of staff are foreigners)
Infosys – 100,306 (end of Sep 2008)
Wipro – 95,675 (end of June, 2008)
Satyam – 52,865 (end of Sep 2008)
Mindtree – 5,746 (end of Sep 2008)
(Source: Company Web sites and press releases, Wiki)

The above companies have caused immense misery to American workers and their families because of the jobs they’ve stolen from U.S. workers.

Of course, Indians will seek shelter under such nonsense as the world is flat, free trade or other equally ridiculous tripe.

Let’s see how Indians react when their jobs are in jeopardy (the Indian media has already reported on some brutal murders of senior executives of MNCs in Noida lately over layoff issues).

Beneath their hypocritical veneer, Indians are among the most intolerant people on Planet Earth who routinely kill others just because they are different (examples – massacre of Muslims in Gujarat and now rape and murder of Christians in Orissa).

If there are large scale job losses and layoffs in India (or God forbid, outsourcing to China or Bangladesh), Indians are unlikely to view it as stoically as the crushed and hapless American workers.

35 Responses to "Big American Job Killers & their Indian Accomplices"

  1. shuaib68   October 21, 2008 at 12:48 am

    It is very fair for the American workers to get upset. Will any other country jeopordise their own peoples welfare by giving out the most crucial thing in anybody’s life – the job? Surely Indians will not give an inch of their mind to accomodate such a notion.

    I see in Maharashtra how even within the borders of India the differences between states and cultures. So, it’s fair for the US workers lives been threatened by the short sighted greedy, blood thirsty (Pigs) – the corporations.

    See, it’s the corporations behind all the misery that is now plaguing the financial system in the US for their ill concieved murderous projects like Iraq invasion and all the allied industries that are linked with one another with a single umbilical cord, in profit making through the Military Industrial Complex.

    More War means more profits and human lives are just numbers in collateral damage in their pursuit. Responds:

    We did a post a few months ago – America’s Merchants of Death Thriving

  2. krish   October 21, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Hi. I have been following your blogs for sometime now. While you have been spot on regarding movie reviews, I beg to differ with your scathing attacks against outsourcing of jobs to India.I think its unfair to accuse Indian companies of stealing american jobs. IBMs and HPs are not running charity and want to maximize profits and if the Indian companies are offering a lower price who wouldn’t lap it up.

    Americans weren’t complaining to embrace this policy of capitalism whereby every individual gets to maximize his profit as long as it yielded returns on a personal scale (not to mention they were involved in a foolish Cold War defending these very ideals). If a company emulates the very same principles, they cry foul.

    Coming back to the point, the problem is simple economics. The supply is much larger than the demand. The Indians are thriving as they realized that they had a better chance of getting jobs as they are satisfied with lower salaries (even at the expense of being called a coolie).

    The angst of the average american at losing their job can be understood. If tomorrow the samething happens in India there will be a huge public outcry against it. As for you calling Indian employees coolies, not everyone is born with a silver spoon to study abroad and gain employment in US but if given a chance they will prove to be more than equal to their US counterparts.

    And no need of calling Indians most intolerant. Every developing country has its share of bigots. Lets not forget racism prevalent in US during 1900s. They will cease to exist as the country prospers. Responds:

    1. Given our exposure to all things Indian, we stand by one of the principal tenets of our argument – Indians are one of the most intolerant ethnic groups and if Indian jobs are outsourced to Bangladesh, China or some other low-wage country leading to large-scale job losses, there will be blood and riots on the streets of Bangalore, Noida, Chennai and Hyderabad.

    It’s possible, as you say, that with prosperity Indians will become more tolerant. Only time will tell but the early signs do not augur well – a relatively more prosperous Gujarat is more intolerant of minorities. In the U.S, we see more rabid nonsense coming from Gujaratis than from some of the other desis. The point is that there may not be a statistically significant correlation between prosperity and tolerance.

    2. Indian news reports suggest that Italian company Graziano Transmissioni’s CEO of Noida operations was lynched over layoffs. Au contraire, we haven’t heard of any lynch mobs here in the U.S. over outsourcing to India although there’s immense bitterness.

    3. Free trade sounds good in theory or if you are its beneficiary. Otherwise, its consequences are very painful for victims (in this case Americans).

    4. Unbridled Capitalism like Unbridled Socialism wreaks havoc. Sadly, all checks and balances on capitalism have vanished and America has turned into a complete plutocracy.

    5. While we are no fans of unbridled capitalism, we disagree with your critique of American involvement in what you term as a foolish Cold War. But for the American investment in men and materials into the Cold War, the world would have been a sea of red, literally and figuratively. That’s a big no-no considering Stalin, Lenin and their Red successors have killed more people than all mass murderers and natural calamities in history.

  3. talari123   October 22, 2008 at 2:00 am

    Dear friend,
    When neighbor’s hen gives its egg at ur garden its good and God’s blessing. But if it is otherwise, its neighbors mistake. World is becoming flat. Lets go for globalization.. lets make money by selling lots of things in third world countries.. developing countries… its fair business..after all it globalization… lets enjoy at the expense of these poor countries. Lets consume world’s 40% of resources and let poor countries suffering. Lets enjoy the cheap labor work for us and enjoy the fruits… we have tactics to manipulate these poor and week countries… We have power… so attack middle east countries and get hold of oil.. have parties… have fun … just spend and spend.. and spend… and have cool holidays…… world is beautiful.. America is heaven… its place of opportunities. …relax and stop working.. we r rich.. hip.. hip.. hurrey…..
    Now cards are turning.. Party is over for us.. Americans.. now same globalization is showing its true colors .. If somewhere in the corner of the world (like Asian countries), some else is willing work for cheap… some else is willing work harder for the same money…. Well.. Obviously we Americans are losing the game.. we are in the trap placed by US. Jobs migrate to India.…. Americans loose jobs. Cheap goods are being imported to America… and American manufacturing sector is in danger.. Oh its not fair… I am feeling the pinch… lets scream.. ans scream and scream… Indians are wrong.. Chinese are wrong..
    Come on boys… its globalization… In a globalized world, we (Americans) have to work had like Asians for the same money.. are we ready for that.. do we really ready to work like a Chinese…?? Globalization is like arrow that’s released.. can’t call it back…. Just be ready for the impact… Responds:

    1. All great civilizations/cultures/nations eventually fade. We think the American era is waning not merely because the impact of capitalism coming full circle but more because hedonism has turned into the reigning ideology and orthodoxy here.

    2. You write: In a globalized world, we (Americans) have to work had like Asians for the same money.. are we ready for that.. do we really ready to work like a Chinese…??

    It’s hard for Americans to compete either in manufacturing or in service sector, when you have a Chinese guy or an Indian gal willing to do the same job sometimes for one-fifth the wages.

    3. You write: Globalization is like arrow that’s released.. can’t call it back

    Very true.

  4. talari123   October 22, 2008 at 3:21 am

    Deleted because it’s a duplicate of the previous comment by the same poster. Responds:

    Since is based in the U.S., we work on Eastern Time.

    Please be a little patient if your comment is not processed. We will get to it.

  5. shuaib68   October 22, 2008 at 4:03 am

    I would, infact suggest the readers to check on the following link with regards to the cost of war the US is engaged at present:

    On the issue of Indian work force – even in Middle eastern countries, the low wage onslaught is a kind of a parasite that is threatening some of the established norms in the job market. I see this as a “under-cutting” business.

    Here, in the UAE, out of desperation workers from India, Bangladesh have inflitrated into mediumand low waged jobs by offering less demands and salary just to pick the job up and survive. This has caused severe problem to other well paid workers in a way.

    There’s are known company in which one of my cousin works, has even cut giving tea to the staff. Because, the one Indian manager is giving ideas to the management to cut cost. His perks are safe. You cannot go so low to demonstrate their survival methods in the wilds.

    This is only one example. There are more. The moment you come to know there’s a new manager or director on board means, he’s in for a big show for the management.

    He will cut like the Sweeney Todd, boy. Responds:

    Sometimes we think the American military-industrial complex will never let the war end and just bleed us dry.

    Are we seeing the imperial overstretch that Paul Kennedy wrote about 20 years back in The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers? Maybe.

    The housing market has completely collapsed here and we don’t see that recovering for another four years because of the huge inventory in the market.

    The situation is terrible in some states like California, Florida and Nevada where the wishful thinking was Build and They Will Come.

    Well, the builders built but no one turned up (we’re talking about new homes here…not the foreclosures of existing homes where owners abandon them because they can’t afford the mortgages anymore).

  6. talari123   October 22, 2008 at 4:53 am

    hello… why r u sending our posts to spam..?? Responds:

    Your comment has NOT been sent to the spam folder. It has been processed. Please see here.

    As we said earlier, we work on Eastern Time since is based in the U.S.

    Please be a little patient if your comment is not processed. We will get to it.

  7. talari123   October 22, 2008 at 5:27 am writes:

    It’s hard for Americans to compete either in manufacturing or in service sector, when you have a Chinese guy or an Indian gal willing to do the same job sometimes for one-fifth the wages.

    My response:
    This globalization (brain child of our western society) is nothing but more polished way of saying Darwin’s “Survival of the fittest”. If we Americans can’t compete …. we will stop surviving. No point in blaming Chinese or Indians. So we have learn to compete with them even for 1/5th of wages. Lets face the reality. Responds:

    With the social safety net now a mirage, the U.S. middle class is sinking into poverty.

    We see that as an inevitability unless there are radical changes here. But as we all know radical changes and complete breaks with the past come but rarely in a nation’s long journey.

  8. joeantony   October 22, 2008 at 8:32 am

    I think, end of the day its the basic theory holds good.. “Survival of the fittest”. When an american job comes here to india to a coolie like me, that somehow proves this theory and I am being fitter than that American who lost the job. So I deserve to survive than that american. I think the nature of Indians being intolerant or violant etc has nothing to do to this effect. It will happen in any given scenario.

    I wrote above comment without reading talari’s comment.. what a similarity in thinking from far ends 🙂

    The problem is not so easy to solve, We thought democracy would solve it didnt.. neither did socialism or communism. What ever changes comes on earth this theory is proved to be true. Responds:

    The evisceration of the American middle class will not be without consequences.

    As the recent banking meltdown in the U.S. has proved, when America goes down it will drag the world with it into the hades.

    As John Donne wrote so eloquently in Meditation XVII:

    No man is an island, entire of itself…any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee

  9. gandhiji   October 22, 2008 at 8:58 am

    You keep saying “evisceration of the American middle class”.. to which I belong to.. I am shittin in my pants now. Responds:

    When our blithering idiot President GWB steps down in January, he might well end his tenure with the famous phrase that Louis XV is said to have used:

    Apres moi, le deluge (after me, the deluge).

  10. talari123   October 22, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    u seem to be becoming philosophical with new developments (from the above two responses). Generally I am more of spectator of blogs like this then a participant. I rarely write responses. But from this article and past articles… I have observed a kind of hatred/ spreading poison against these third world coolies. This is not going to do any good to Americans.. Well… this will do good to you. There will be more readers of your blog (mostly those poor Americans who are searching reasons to blame for their failures. Its natural.. We humans, always try to find something to point at for our own failures). So, u gain… I don’t ask u to stop, if ur intention is just business. After all, u also has to survive.
    But if u really care for Americans… Pls post more constructive/practical articles, which will prepare Americans for the future. Responds:

    1. When agriculture went (what’s left is heavily subsidized in America now) they said there was manufacturing after all…and when manufacturing jobs headed south and east, the powers that be pointed to the gleaming Utopia of the service sector. Now when service sector jobs move out, what’s left for the Americans except flipping burgers or Taco stands.

    As we’ve said often, free trade sounds good in theory and academic text books, but the reality of its harsh impact on American workers is very distressing.

    2. You write: I have observed a kind of hatred/ spreading poison against these third world coolies

    That’s baloney.

    We’re just stating the facts as we’re seeing them in the U.S. The erosion of the American middle class is an indisputable fact and one of the key reasons is the lack of well-paying jobs.

    3. You write: So, u gain… I don’t ask u to stop, if ur intention is just business. After all, u also has to survive

    You are completely clueless of the economics of blogs if you think we are barreling down the blog road to El Dorado.

  11. joeantony   October 23, 2008 at 3:22 am

    Gandhiji, I was in the US for nearly an year as a non immigrant worker and I had the opportunity to become one like you the so called “eviscerating american middle class”. but at the same time I had the choice of returning to India and belong to “Indian upper middle class + cheap Tech coolie”. Obviously I chose the later, and I’m quite happy about the choice I made.

    I really believed I could have better control over my life being and Indian than an American.

    American democracy is hypocritically advertised as the best in the world.. but it is not. I strongly believe there is some shadow power, (call it Illuminati call it Mafia ) that really drives that country. A nation with great conspiracies (e.g 911 inside job belief, JFK single bullet theory, petro dollor scam ) and the middle class of America is really treated as insects by the people with power.

    China – not only the headache of the middle class American but becoming a serious threat for the American Supremacy… especially in the military power, it is estimated that in less than 10 years China would have the world’s largest army. Once that’s done the American Economical supremacy would be challenged as China would start dictating terms in the business and economy. That’s the only reason US has allied with its long term suspect India on nuke and trade. The only way America can bring a equillibirium in the region and thus continue to be the super power.

    But all these calculations and predictions will fail one point of time when it comes to a day-to-day survival challenge and all of us should be ready for a world war.. and possibly a nuke holocaust…

    Am I over reacting here? Responds:

    1. Gandhiji is most likely sleeping since it’s 3:26 AM here in the U.S. He’ll probably have an interesting response when he wakes up & sees your comment.

    2. You write above: it is estimated that in less than 10 years China would have the world’s largest army

    In an age of ICBMs (Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles) and unmanned drone aircraft, the size of an Army still matters but not that much.

  12. shuaib68   October 23, 2008 at 5:42 am

    Hey SI, you don’t sleep?

    Now it’s 1:40 pm here in Abu Dhabi. I’m at my office and when I get a break I check your blog for any new info. Responds:

    You write above: Hey SI, you don’t sleep?

    Oh, no.

    Sleeping is our favorite pastime ahead of watching movies and eating Indian food.

  13. shuaib68   October 23, 2008 at 8:45 am

    Hey SI, Joe, Gandhiji,

    Check out the article on this link:

    It’s about the crazees in the white house and their manupulations to be in the power and stay in the power just to give a kick to their bloated egos. Responds:

    With so many Al Jazeera links on SI, one of these days the FBI is going to knock on our doors. 🙂

  14. shuaib68   October 23, 2008 at 9:02 am

    What a habbit…!

    Nalladhoru kudumbam, palgalai kalagam…
    (Wonderful family)

  15. gandhiji   October 23, 2008 at 10:02 am

    I have become so american that I don’t follow the news.. the only news I follow is on SI. 🙂 So I cannot comment on world politics and the future.. But my american geography knowledge is better than most americans.

    I can comfortably say that I made a good decision staying in the US:
    I wanted to type a whole essay.. but was too lazy.. instead I googled and found this.. this may not be the best one, but it was the first one I found.

    This guy probably didn’t want to sound pretentious.. We live a luxurious life here, Joe. Hyundai Accent/Honda Citi are considered luxury in India, right? Here they are not even middle-class cars.. How much do you pay for a 60″ plasma TV.. we pay less than a lakh here. We live in palatial houses with lawns for the kids to play on, while you live in a cramped apartment complex.. and pay 50 lakhs-1 crore for that tiny place you call home.

  16. aditya_k   October 24, 2008 at 4:23 am

    americans don’t have jobs because they are stupid,inefficient and incompetent……which is why jobs are outsourced despite problems like time-lags… friends have worked in call centres….i keep hearing abt the problems americans keep calling with (very silly problems to say the least)…..if u hv read the book ‘one night @ the call centre’ by chetan bhagat ,you’ll know what i am talking about ….so there is no need to insult the indian work force which runs half of america today…. Responds:

    1. You write above: americans don’t have jobs because they are stupid,inefficient and incompetent……

    Yeah, right.

    That’s how they built some of the finest universities, went to the moon, won most of the Nobels, made some of the finest movies not to mention some of the best pop music, wrote some of the greatest books, created some of the finest art works …. .

    Dream on, Schmucko.

    The last time we checked a third or a fourth of Mumbaikars were sleeping, screwing & shitting on the streets. Hey, we can smell your stench here.

    2. You write: i keep hearing abt the problems americans keep calling with (very silly problems to say the least)…..

    Give a coolie a few Rupees and he/she/it soon turns his/her/its fangs on its masters.

  17. gandhiji   October 24, 2008 at 9:17 am

    aditya, it’s highly ignorant of you to call them stupid..
    Let’s give your dad a computer and let’s see how well he can handle it without asking questions that you may deem silly. Does that mean your dad is stupid?

  18. aditya_k   October 24, 2008 at 11:25 am

    Those finest universities were built when india was under british rule ( indians had the best education system upto the 16th century,there is a whole lot of history about the academic achievements here…but you probably know )….and the people who built them were pure geniuses…(this goes for the nobel winners as well)…a cut above the average crowd…i am talking about the average american middle class-the ones who lose their white collar jobs to ASIANS.(not just indians)…..come on u guys are the NRIs living there…don’t u know that indians are the most prosperous of ethnic groups there? pop songs? well we don’t do them…atleast i hate all the wannabes in india trying to be rock stars…but we do have classical music here (please don’t insult that when u reply)….. art? well artists are everywhere….i m not aware of great artists specifically in america….europeans are generally better at that stuff..even your statue of liberty came from there..(by the way, europe does not seem to have this problem we are discussing….wonder why..)….face it guys…america has prospered mainly because of people migrating there….african-americans,&asians,europeans.americans have always been arrogant with there money…why can’t they work for lower pay like us? ok…we don’t live in as much luxury as they do…but atleast its not our banks declaring bankrupt…. i have to agree with the movies…these guys at bollywood have lost it…. Responds:

    1. You write above: there is a whole lot of history about the academic achievements here…but you probably know

    Sure, we know. Indians discovered the concept of Zero. Very apposite.

    2. You write above: Those finest universities were built when india was under british rule ( indians had the best education system upto the 16th century,there is a whole lot of history about the academic achievements here…but you probably know )….and the people who built them were pure geniuses…(this goes for the nobel winners as well)…

    Alright. Let’s talk post-Independence era – How many Nobel Prizes…three, four?

    3. You write: i am talking about the average american middle class-the ones who lose their white collar jobs to ASIANS.(

    So, by your warped logic because the American middle class loses jobs to Indian coolies thy are stupid,inefficient and incompetent.

    Guess, by your asinine logic India has outsourced its political leadership to an Italian woman because the country is full of morons.

    4. True, the masters are mostly from Europe. But there are plenty of respected American artists. You might want to check here and there.

    5. You write above: america has prospered mainly because of people migrating there….

    Migration is just one among many factors. America has one of the most conducive environments for business. As someone once said, the business of America is business.

    6. You write above: atleast its not our banks declaring bankrupt

    Oh really. Is that because you were ahead of us.

    Let’s not forget that Harshad Mehta, Fairgrowth Financial, many Indian banks & investment banks et al suffered heavy losses & brought the Indian stock market to its knees in the early 1990s.

    7. i have to agree with the movies…these guys at bollywood have lost it….

    You can’t lose what you never had in the first place. Bollywood is for the most part, a haven for mediocrity and thieves (God Tussi Great Ho, Partner, Ek Ajnabee, U Me Aur Hum, Saroja…the list is endless).

  19. aditya_k   October 24, 2008 at 11:28 am

    as for you gandhiji….i said ‘silly questions’…which means that under normal circumstances they can be solved very easily without panicking and making frantic calls….

  20. aditya_k   October 24, 2008 at 11:42 am

    sorry i forgot to respond to your comment on mumbaikars.. that is so very irrelevant….who cares where we sleep or shit?(i am a mumbaikar) the fact remains….those very people shitting on the streets today may very well force the luxury loving, recklessly spending americans to do the same….welcome to the real world people…. Responds:

    1. You write above: that is so very irrelevant

    You are a fine one to talk about relevance.

    Just because you have 1.5 or 0.8 friends in the Indian call centers answering our phone calls pretending to be “Jack” and “Susan”, you think americans don’t have jobs because they are stupid,inefficient and incompetent……

    2. You write above: those very people shitting on the streets today may very well force the luxury loving, recklessly spending americans to do the same….welcome to the real world people….

    You have no idea of the number of people/countries America/Americans have screwed. History is littered with their corpses – Ferdinand Marcos, Pervez Musharaf, South Vietnam, Georgia et al.

    You think Indian software companies and call centers are safe from their/our boots. Welcome to the real world, kiddo.

  21. gandhiji   October 24, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    It is really not nice calling the americans stupid because they have some silly questions.. and it is really not nice calling the indian workers as coolies.

    Be nice, people!! 🙂

    Aditya, You think the indians are not luxury loving and recklessly spending? I went shopping in India last year and came back empty handed.. People has paying tons of rupees for cheap quality clothes. I don’t know how many people in India can really afford the expensive (tiny)cars they are driving or the expensive houses they are buying in cities like Bangalore and Chennai. Appalling… The US financial institutions realized things faster than the indians, I guess.. or I maybe wrong.

  22. aditya_k   October 24, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    well,sonia GANDHI is a citizen of india,married into the most politically powerful family of her time….she CHOSE to be a part of india…the same way as you guys chose to be a part of the U.S….so you can’t say we have handed over the government to a foriegner despite having able people here…she is one among us ……if the only thing you know about indian history is that we invented zero,i feel very sad for you……indian economy suffered in the the 90’s because of bad government policies- socialism killed the growth back then….harshad mehta is one man…you guys are as a whole responsible for what has happened to you….. absolutely agree with you that americans are great at kicking butt….but the point is, we (as in the rest of the world) will still survive it…but can you??? can you live the life we do? not too late …watch us and learn…… Responds:

    You write above: i feel very sad for you

    Oh, please save your sympathies for your fellow countrymen – the starving cotton-farmers (Andhra Pradesh), the raped nuns (Orissa), the poor slum-dwellers (Mumbai Dharavi, Delhi by the Yamuna ….), victims of communal violence (Gujarat, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Orissa) and the encounter victims (Gujarat, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, J&K…).

    Surely, these victims need your sympathies more than the NRIs.

  23. aditya_k   October 24, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    well i agree with you on the intolerance part(which has got nothing to do with job outsourcing ofcourse)….india is a younger democracy compared to the US….as someome said above, we will probably grow more tolerant as we become more prosperous…

  24. aditya_k   October 24, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    as for you gandhiji, you yourself said to joey above that the parameters for luxury are different in the US and in india…..the fact that cars like honda city/accent are considered middle class there shows why exactly american economy is in the pits today….as for the palatial houses,well they must have become cheap by now right?
    anyways,my point is ,we never spend what we don’t have…sure we have people spending money here on (cheap??)clothes and stuff,but its their money!!not on credit card….trust me,nobody here buys houses or cars just because they ‘think’ they can afford it….we definitely don’t suffer from that kind of arrogance…

  25. gandhiji   October 25, 2008 at 8:28 am

    aditya, you misunderstood my post.. i said that the accent costs 10k here, while it in India it costs 10 lakhs .. 4 times as much, i think(My math is a bit weak). If we pay 10 lakhs here we get a much nicer car than Accent.

    Similarly a small condominium costs 100k in a decent city(where you can almost as much as the big cities) here, while in India you pay 1 crore in big cities.. which is the only place where you can make big money in India.. And the clothes are way too expensive in India.. We pay 15 dollars for a pair of Levis.. I think it costs 3000 rupees in India. The only thing cheaper in India is Indian food.. but that too has increased mightily that it cannot be afforded by a non-IT man/woman.

    I am saying that people in India are paying more for similar stuff that we get here.

    And don’t get blindly defensive about spending habits on Indians in India. You may be smart in spending.. but not all are like you.. I personally know people who bought houses where the monthly mortgage is as big as their paychecks.. They parents buy them groceries.. because they cannot afford it.

  26. aditya_k   October 25, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    gandhiji, well ,point taken……yeah, most of the stuff here is probably more expensive here than it is there,given that the government imposes all kinds of additional taxes on them(especially the imported ones)…..but i still believe that we in india spend smart… me on this….i am a student of IIT kharagpur….i have seen all kinds of students coming from all over the country….yes,there are a few fools who spend a lot on unnecessary stuff,but on the whole,everyone is extremely careful with their money…

  27. gandhiji   October 26, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    aditya, if I understand correctly, you are looking at the spending of students.. I am under the impression that things change drastically after they start earning.. freedom from their parents..
    btw, congratulations on being an elite student!

  28. gandhiji   October 26, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    and don’t forget that IIT students are the smartest(who don’t have to prove anything to the rest of the world through their purchases) and probably not even make 1% of the IT population..

  29. joeantony   November 4, 2008 at 1:52 am

    you have bmw, lawn for your kids to play etc..
    and i dont have them… but I also dont shit on pants which you americans are doing… 🙂

    the point is the luxury that you are mentioning here is always at stake.. so you have to worry and keep shitting on pants… got it?

  30. ★TRΞY☆   November 4, 2008 at 8:51 am

    I was only kiddin.. If I were really shittin, I’d be in the laundry washing the pants and searching for jobs simultaneously.

    – poster previously known as Gandhiji

  31. ★TRΞY☆   November 4, 2008 at 9:03 am

    And you completely ignored the other points made in the link I provided.. They are much more important to me than luxury. As for luxury, what I meant to say is we live a more luxurious life for the same price that you pay for a not so luxurious life.

    For making things easy for you, I am cutting and pasting from that link:
    * People respect law and order. You cannot jump red lights, cheat on legal agreements, hold money from tax authorities (black money) as we do in India.

    * You are left alone irrespective of what ethnic group you belong to or what colour your skin is as long as you are a law abiding citizen.

    * You are respected for what you are, not for what community you belong to in the U.S.

    * You play by the rules and your life is easy, and without hassles.

    * You don’t have to bribe to get simple things done.

    * You get uninterrupted power, clean water, roads without potholes, high-speed internet services as long you pay your taxes and bills on time.

    And there are much more.. but you probably know them but are living in denial.

  32. joeantony   November 5, 2008 at 12:32 am

    Trey a.k.a Gandhiji

    All your points are valid. I also enjoyed all these when I was there. but the difference between you and me is you ‘loved’ it and I was ‘jealous’. Each and every time I ride on a freeway I was so sad that we dont have such a sensible thing in India, somehow I coundt enjoy it beacause it was not home. Home is everything, if you have all these at your home I think you can really enjoy it… The american can really enjoy it and they are doing it rite?…

  33. ★TRΞY☆   November 5, 2008 at 7:39 am

    Hi Joe.. yes.. I think that is the difference. When I visited India last year I noticed that the highways had vastly improved. What used to take 3 hours by car, took less than 2 hours..

    How do you rate Kalam as a president? Was he good? Should he have become a benevolent dictator?

  34. joeantony   November 6, 2008 at 2:52 am

    He was good, but as u know in India the president is the top officer without any decision making authrity. There was only one time he rejected to sign a bill from parliment (if had the resent it he has to sign it), for the great respect he earns atleast these polititians didnt resend it. (forgot the details of the bill)

    benevolent dictator – never. He is a social reformer, needs to spend more time with people, especially the youth, they need to aquire wisdom from him.. and he is now exactly busy on that… i do have great hope that he would bring a much needed change among the youth of India

  35. joeantony   November 6, 2008 at 2:57 am

    ” I noticed that the highways had vastly improved. What used to take 3 hours by car, took less than 2 hours”

    it might be the part of golden quadrilateral india’s first national expressway – cant compare the freeways of US, because there are U turns and non signal right turns rarely…(but no road/rail crossovers – they have built crossing bridges) but still it covers the whole country and first step towards tomorrows infrastructure requiremenst..

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