So you think the whackos and idiots are all lined up only on the side of Hinduism or Islam.
There are plenty of idiots and whackos among the Christians too. Foremost among these Christian idiots is the current Pope himself.
Pope Benedict XVI
The other day, this Islam-baiting Pope Benedict XVI said on his first pontifical trip to Africa, the AIDS-ravaged continent:
[AIDS] cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems.
Condoms aggravate AIDS?
Who made this idiot the Pope, we want to know?
Even Christ can’t save a moron who says condoms aggravate AIDS.
Health ministers in France and Germany (the Pope’s home country) have already condemned the idiot’s stance on condoms.
Indian MPs Think Clothes Spread AIDS. And You Thought Dan Quayle was a Dodo!
“So you think the whackos and idiots are all lined up only on the side of Hinduism or Islam”
oh my FSM ! I didn’t understand how could you make such a statement? I mean anybody with a little knowledge of History would know about the Christian Idiots.
Is Pat Robertson not famous there? Also what about sucking Tele Evangelists?
Here in India, these nuts (christian evangelists, hindu gurus and monks) plague all major channels in the morning time slots. So you have no option to view anything other than stupid news channels.
1. Since we are based in the U.S., we’re quite familiar with Pat Robertson and his fellow ‘idiotic’ travelers like James Dobson and the late Jerry Falwell.
Plus, there are quite a few philandering evangelists here. On many occasions, we’ve watched them talk unadulterated nonsense on TV (to us, all religion is plain baloney).
2. The reason we did the above post was because so much media attention in India is focused these days on the Hindu whackos that many tend to ignore the nuts (like the Pope) on the other side.
3. BTW, is the Aastha TV Channel still around and is it popular?
You can’t really claim to be surprised about this. I mean, it took just about 2000 years before a Pope (John Paul II) acknowledged science’s role in creation, including Darwinism, vs. the belief that had been held previously that the Bible is infallible and that the world is only 6,500 years old instead of billions of years old as scientific and archeological evidence and dinosaur fossils suggest.
It may take another 2,000 years before the church or another Pope finally stops saying things like “AIDS was created by God to strike down all the sinners who engage in sex outside of marriage in Africa” etc. and instead thinks practically and endorses proper sex education including advocating for condoms.
Shows that idiocy is not the monopoly of any one religion.
Though I don’t agree him(pope) on avoiding condoms, I see lot of sense in what he said, can you prove me with numbers how condoms have controlled AIDS spreading?
According to my knowledge condom has done nothing great so far, esp in Africa… where he made the statement
He has actually told that the easiest thing that can keep away from AIDS is chastity. I beleive he DOES make sense. But still I beleive using condoms should not be completely avoided in case of birth control.
1. You write above: can you prove me with numbers how condoms have controlled AIDS spreading?
There’s a wealth of research studies out there that conclusively prove the link between condom use and lower likelihood of contracting AIDS.
We’ll focus here only on the CDC studies and reports.
See this CDC chart for likelihood of AIDS with condom and without condom.
2. The Centers for Disease Control is a respected research organization in the U.S. and this is what they have to say on the use of condoms to control the spread of AIDS.
3. This link includes a Selected References at the bottom on condom use studies vis-a-vis AIDS.
4. You write: He has actually told that the easiest thing that can keep away from AIDS is chastity. I beleive he DOES make sense.
No. What the Pope says does not make any sense.
Talk of Chastity does not make any sense as long as men have a P***k and women have a P***y.
Religious war for Global supremacy is on between Islam and Christianity ……both engage in conversions and violence ….to increase and decrease each other’s numbers …..Now Pope is not worried about Aids ….he wants more number of people ……which using condoms will prevent …..HARVESTING SOULS IN AFRICA AND ASIA ….
These people are Idiots in the sense that they have not understood the true meaning of religion …..
Islam calls upon every Tom , Dick and Harry to convert to Islam …..while Pope’s follower’s go around converting people …..using every Disaster (Tsunami) as a opportunity to increase thier numbers …
Desmond Tutu had said “When missionaries came to South Africa, we had the land, they had the Bible. Then they told us, ‘Let’s close our eyes and pray.’ When we opened our eyes we saw that we have the Bible, they have the land.”
Other Religions like Hinduism / Buddhism / Sikhism are busy fighting this threat by using all means possible ..
Religious channels in India are popular among certain sections of the sociey ….who anyway are religious …..what matters is whether there are new additions ..in the form of younger generation …now that doesnt seem to be happening …at least there is no evidence of that happenig ..
You write above: Now Pope is not worried about Aids ….he wants more number of people ……which using condoms will prevent …..HARVESTING SOULS IN AFRICA AND ASIA ….
More complex than your assertion.
See this recent ABC News report – America is Becoming Less Christian, Less Religious
With fewer adherents in the West, it’s no surprise that Christianity would like to expand in Africa and Asia.
But the danger in the strategy of increasing numbers/followers by not using condoms is that in continents like Africa and Asia where there’s high incidence of AIDS, the Vatican strategy could backfire and have the opposite effect – i.e. result in decimation of the local population.
In our view, Christianity is very much like the Chinese – both are always looking for new foreign markets to conquer.
Anyway, as we’ve said in the past only idiots waste time on all this Ram, Jesus, Allah, Hanuman et al nonsense when there’s so little evidence of their ‘godly’ qualities or even their existence.
Srinivas: Other Religions like Hinduism / Buddhism / Sikhism are busy fighting this threat by using all means possible ..
if you are not worried about numbers why are your ‘busy fighting’ the threat (of conversion)?
Both islam and christianity are having few stuff that attracts people (mostly hindus) and it is their choice to convert, these two religion beliive that their followers should tell others about their faith. if the ‘others’ like the ideology they opt to follow it .. it’s as simple as that.
Many in America now are attracted by Hinduism but as a matter of fact they can’t become Hindus.
by the way, getting back to the topic, Srinivas, what hinduism thinks about condoms?
1. You write above: Many in America now are attracted by Hinduism….
This is not factually accurate. We’ve seen very little evidence of this in so many years.
On very few occasions (once in L.A., once on Oak Tree Road, Edison (NJ) and maybe once or twice elsewhere did we see White Hindus (the Hare Krishna ISKCON folks).
Most Americans (including ex-President George W.Bush) do not know the difference between Hindi, Hindu and Indian.
The Hindus in the U.S. are mostly the desi idiots – Gujjus (with their Swaminarayan fixation), Tamils, Telugus, Kannadigas, Mallus and North Indians.
2. You write: but as a matter of fact they can’t become Hindus.
Then, how do you explain the ISKCON Hindus (non-Indian, mostly White) all over the world?
3. On conversion, we are against it because it’s mostly foreign money that’s coming in with all their nefarious intentions and secondly, it creates a lot of tension in an area and gives the Hindu idiots a reason to attack the minorities in India.
S.I : or even their existence
Jesus was very much historical, you can’t add Jesus in that list… mayby can argue on the ‘godly’ qualities alone..
Did Jesus Exist?
Also, Did a historical Jesus exist?
“BTW, is the Aastha TV Channel still around and is it popular?”
Aastha channel is still there eating the brains of people. Popularity ? – I don’t know.
“what hinduism thinks about condoms”?
@joeantony : I don’t think hinduism has an authority to just say about things like condom. It’s very individualistic. you can do whatever you want like writing joeantonysmrithi etc.
“if you are not worried about numbers why are your â€˜busy fightingâ€™ the threat (of conversion)?”
This is stupid. Though I won’t care about numbers – it’s about Quran replacing Constitution or Bible stories replacing Jataka Tales etc.
(May be an exaggeration but Religion does anything – people worshiping Monkeys, people believing the words of a violent illiterate shepherd and also believing that blood would cleanse sins etc etc)
Stitha : itâ€™s about Quran replacing Constitution or Bible stories replacing Jataka Tales etc
so you are scared? As a matter of fact ideologies evolve .. they may be stupid .. illogical.. but the bottomline is how good they are in marketing.
JoeAnthony: Srinivas, what hinduism thinks about condoms?
Nothing …condoms were not invented then …neither was AIDS there ….So Hinduism cannot say anything …Nobody has ever said anything …..Even otherwise …..Science/Technology is respected by followers of religion ….so they will support all this …considering India’s population …..Dont use condoms is the last thing we need …. anything said on this issue ….will be an individual opinion and cannot be linked to Hindu religion
It’s Christianity and Islam which keep telling followers all these things …ban Photography …dont see television because its Un-islamic …I have always wondered ….none of these things actually exisited when these books were written ….yet somehow they find something ….link it and then say its against religion …People also follow it !!!
Joeanthony: if you are not worried about numbers why are your â€˜busy fightingâ€™ the threat (of conversion)?
Whatever SI said is right ..Recall my previous post …with all those links …it’s much more ….designed to create conflicts in the society / family …..between converted Hindus and Hindus ….
and the fact that a convert does not become a better human being ..rather he starts fighting his old religion …
On a different note: Can I ask – Why are you fighting the Sangh Parviar ….why say that reconversions / Ghar Vapsi programs are wrong ?? ….why oppose anti-conversion laws? …….North Eastern Part of India is the best example
joeantony: but the bottomline is how good they are in marketing.
Does religion require marketing ??? …A product / Service to be sold ….to followers of other religion ??? …considering that they have one to call their own ??
Sewing Machine and Rice along with Cash Component of Rs 10,000 to Rs 25,000 comes along with Christianity / Bible ..in diff parts of india … and of course …effective marketing also requires that you downgrade other religions ….by calling them fake …satans ..etc
Joe Anthony: so you are scared? As a matter of fact ideologies evolve
Scared are those ….who worry about numbers …the fact that Islam might overtake Christianity as the largest religion in the world and hence scales of power might tilt …. Hindus are protecting their people from bad influences / Ideologies ….least they also start calling religion as a product /service tomm …
You write above: Does religion require marketing ??? …A product / Service to be sold ….to followers of other religion ???
Everything needs marketing these days. Why just religion, even husbands need marketing to look good in the eyes of their wives.
Case in point – Rab Ne Bana De Jodi.
Look at how a newly married uxorious husband Surinder Sahni (Shahrukh Khan) makes a monkey of himself to get his young wife Taani (Anushka Sharma) to love him.
@joeanthony: “so you are scared? As a matter of fact ideologies evolve .. they may be stupid .. illogical.. but the bottomline is how good they are in marketing.”
of course I’m scared. Because I may loose respect for humans who without using their brains just go on believing a stupid book (supposedly telegraphed from God) and use those things in public realm.
Yeah…true , marketing ideologies matters most . But for what good is the marketing ? to earn profits(To be precise , people) for their Invisible God?
(I would have been really happy had religion been a company product so that people can give it a try and throw the telegraphed books from God in to a dust bin if they are not satisfied with it.)
@SRINIVAS: “Why are you fighting the Sangh Parviar â€¦.why say that reconversions / Ghar Vapsi programs are wrong ?? â€¦.why oppose anti-conversion laws?”
You don’t you like freedom or what?. what Sangh Parivar does is Hate propagation. With so many members involved it could have brought a positive change to the society.
Well, first of all I know that condoms DO decrease the rate of STDs, but the main issue is, that they do not ELIMINATE STDs, sexual abstinence does just that, it eliminates STDs.
Can you live without premarital sex? I sure can, and I have for a long time. What is so hard about abstaining from sex? I mean, can’t you kiss? hug? Make out? Not have sex? It isn’t that hard people!
I am likewise also aganist condoms, I know they do not aggravate AIDS, but they do prevent a woman from conceiving a child, and contraception is just that, preventing the woman from conceiving a child, and the Catholic Church is quite against the viewpoint of free contraceptive use, so the pope is quite justified in speaking out the way he did, in fact, I congradulate him for doing so!
let me just start off by saying that i am a former catholic,went to a catholic school for almost 10 years and have a friend who is a catholic father from mumbai,so let’s be clear that,yes there are some people who are screwed up royally,the catholic church does NOT in anyway protect child molestors or anything of the sort ( i saw your comment about the catholics being molesters).as far is this morons comment on not being able to convert to hinduism well LOOK AT ME EVERYONE!!! this nonsense that hinduism isn’t converting whites (besides iskcon) is simply not true,if you dont believe me take a look at this hindu monestary in hawaii:
one more thing:according to satya sai babaji”we will all be hindus by 2030″, well judging by the fact that nearly all the monks at saiva siddhanta church are white,and the fact that yoga is a billion dollar business,its a pretty good possibliity,also most hindus get along with indian christians,one of my friends is a father from mumbai and he never has had a problem with the majority,that stuff about minorities being attacked is just anti-hindu liberal propaganda,if anything the minorities are attacking US (one of the iskcon gurus was killed from an attack in manipur by christian separatists in 2006) it sounds like our SI friends are from the “DMK” generation where they have this “ashamed to be indian” mentality propagated by the liberal who want to somehow modernize the way indians think so that westerners wont think of them as backwards. Dont worry,there are plenty of whites and blacks who take up tridanda sannyas,apply tripundra and observe makarsankranti
p.s the purpose of sex is to make children not to get aroused for the sake of getting aroused,hinduism,or any good religion for that matter,will not condon people having unnecessary sex with or without a wrapper on. maybe if people followed this rule there wouldnt be ANY aids at all,what do you think????????
1. You write: the catholic church does NOT in anyway protect child molestors or anything of the sort
That is absolutely untrue.
For decades, the Catholic Church turned a blind eye to complaints about molesting priests. The offenders were merely transferred to other dioceses where they resumed their buggery.
Numerous lawsuits have proved this and the Catholic Church/dioceses has paid millions of dollars in fines/compensation to victims.
You are entitled to practice any stupid religion (show us one religion that makes any sense) but you are not entitled to your facts.
2. You write: Dont worry,there are plenty of whites and blacks who take up tridanda sannyas,apply tripundra and observe makarsankranti
Good lord, there are more idiots here than we thought.
3. You write: the purpose of sex is to make children not to get aroused for the sake of getting aroused,hinduism,or any good religion for that matter,will not condon people having unnecessary sex with or without a wrapper on. maybe if people followed this rule there wouldnt be ANY aids at all,what do you think????????
Procreation is the bad, lasting hangover of recreation. 😉
I normally stay away from religious discussions, because a lot of them become pointless and some degrade into mudslinging.
However I found the thread on conversions here quite interesting. As far as I understand Hinduism doesn’t have the concept of conversion built in, because when Hinduism came around there were no competing religions, so it pretty much accepted whoever came by. Gradually it evolved into two schools of thought – one that believed that you were a Hindu by birth otherwise not, and another that believed that Hinduism is a philosophy and you became a Hindu by embracing Hindu beliefs. Hence the concept of a religious/formal ritual to convert a person has never existed. Even societies like Arya Samaj or Saiva Siddhanta or ISKCON do their “conversion” more as an acceptance of people who embrace the philosophy.
Of course, with the Sangh Parivar and Shiv Sena these days, their members have started taking an aggressive stance against the religions that actively proselytize, thereby introducing concepts of proselytization and re-conversion.
As the hold of religion continues to weaken in the West, the Church and a vibrant Islam will perforce seek new adherents in the East and Africa exacerbating local conflicts.
We’re inclined to ban all proselytization for their tendency to accentuate conflict in fractured societies like India where the fissures and cracks run deep.
If all conversions were to be made purely voluntary (i.e. total absence of external conversion agents), we doubt there’d be much happening in any direction. Less violence, less media coverage et al.
The culprits are the scores of churches in the U.S. and Saudi Arabia, both fostering conversion through their $$, and, of course, the deep-rooted poverty in India that makes the victims succumb to false messages of hope and $$ from the fake Messiahs.
Mr Kreacher wrote”the process of formal convertion to hinduism never existed”,well then i can testify that is wrong since there has ALWAYS been somekind of “diksha” or initiation (shankaracharya was one of the first modern gurus to start this) even dating back to the times of kardama muniji,kashyapaji and Shukji.only the smarta’s believe that you have to be “born a hindu” and that converition isnt possilbe.
I have answered this type of question before when i used to give tours to college students at one of the mundirs in ohio.as far as the comment my SI friends said,this is not just happening in hindustan,but every third world country (yes even parts of america).
I know a missionary(parkview christian church) who believes that christianity has helped people breakaway from the “caste system” which i find humorous since the word “caste” was brought over by the Portuguese and the modern caste system was created by muslims (see dr.ambedkarji’s works for more info on this topic).as far as a religion that makes sense is concerned, you are invited to attend any swaminarayan (preferably ISSO) and see for yourself the positive impact religion can have on peoples lives. also i recoment reading subramuniyaswamiji’s “living with siva” and “merging with siva” which even the most stubborn atheists will find informative.
You write: you are invited to attend any swaminarayan (preferably ISSO) and see for yourself the positive impact religion can have on peoples lives.
We’ve attended a few of the Diwali Artis at the Swaminarayan Mandirs here and found them numbingly, sadistically boring. Never felt uplifted, positively impacted, peace or experienced any of the finer emotions that religion supposedly induces.
The only consolation is the cornucopia of free Indian food, which, of course, is the primary purpose of going there. 😉
the sunday services are usually better.it depends which sect you go to.i admit ISSO doesnt have the tech that BAPS has and therefore not as exilerating but still ok.pramukh swami,the head of baps,isnt getting any younger so i predict that his succesor,pujya doctor swami will be the one to open the new mundirs in LA and New Jersey.anyway i read this article a while ago,having never been to the taj and not an expert on indian history i was wondering if i could get your comments on this:
speaking of food,after im done with this im going to get some hot Punjabi masala at my resturaunt where i work in OH
1. We’re aware of this revisionist explanation of the Taj Mahal from your above link. Someone either posted it on SI a few years back or we stumbled upon it elsewhere.
No, we do not and will not believe this revisionist history unless respected historians like Romila Thapar sign off on that.
2. By the way, if you want the real story behind the building of Taj Mahal, you might want to read our post from April 2009 – How a Cook (Not Shah Jahan) Built the Taj Mahal
3. Some of the Swmainarayan Temples sell toothpaste and T-shirts inside the temples. What next? Credit Cards and Mortgages? 😉
As a matter of fact,while i was waiting for the evening artika in cleveland,this one bhakta told me how he wanted to start a mortgaging company or something as he was interested and ambitious to make some more laxmiji,also some mundirs sell these things,i think their somekind of lotion or soap in these little packets, havnt had the money to buy them but they look good.also the BAPS chicago sells ketchup,jains actually go to BAPS mundirs to buy their food as there arent many stores that sell jain vegetarian food.