(Thanks to satya for raising this issue)
You can’t open Indian newspapers these days without reading about an Indian father raping his daughter.
* First, it was the Mumbai businessman Kishore Chauhan, who was arrested a few weeks back for raping his two young daughters. The older girl (now 21) was raped for nine years while her younger sister’s nightmare is said to have started recently. The younger girl is 17-years-old now. Besides the father, the family tantrik (astrologer) was also raping the older girl with the mother’s consent.
* As if one paternal rape incident were not bad enough, then came reports that an Amritsar BJP leader Ashok Taneja had been arrested following a complaint from his 20-year-old daughter that her father had been raping her for eight years. Yes, eight years.
* In the latest incident, Radheshyam Shiv of Hingna (near Nagpur) has been arrested for allegedly raping his eldest daughter, who is 15-years-old. The girl has accused her father of raping her for four years.
Update – 1
* One more Indian dad has allegedly raped his young daughter. According to this DNA story, the latest incident happened in Falipta village, near Phillaur in North India.
Update – 2
* Yet another Indian dad has been nabbed for allegedly raping his daughter. This time the helpless girl was four-years-old. And it happened in India’s capital Delhi.
Update – 3
* One more case of rape of a young girl, allegedly by the 11-year-old victim’s father, has come to light in Mumbai (Thanks, Satya).
More Studies Needed
Has this kind of child abuse been going on in India for a long time or is this incestuous rape practice a recent phenomenon in a society going through rapid flux?
Are Indian dads developing a new hobby – Raping their daughters?
These are questions that can only be addressed by more media reports, greater sensitivity of the police toward complaints from girls/women and extensive academic studies.
Child abuse in India within the family setting most definitely calls out for greater research by Indian medical researchers and sociologists.
In our view, crimes against girls/women have their roots in the low social status of Indian women in the Hindu hierarchy.
Indian society (Hindu society) has always held members of the female sex, be they young girls or older women, in low esteem. This is of course not a new phenomenon but present through the centuries.
Manu Smriti, one of the earliest written works on Hinduism and the inspiration for other later religious works, treats women as vastly inferior to men.
Here are a few verses from Manu Smriti that cast women in a poor light:
213. It is the nature of women to seduce men in this (world); for that reason the wise are never unguarded in (the company of) females.
214. For women are able to lead astray in (this) world not only a fool, but even a learned man, and (to make) him a slave of desire and anger.
215. One should not sit in a lonely place with one’s mother, sister, or daughter; for the senses are powerful, and master even a learned man.
154. Though destitute of virtue, or seeking pleasure (elsewhere), or devoid of good qualities, (yet) a husband must be constantly worshipped as a god by a faithful wife.
155. No sacrifice, no vow, no fast must be performed by women apart (from their husbands); if a wife obeys her husband, she will for that (reason alone) be exalted in heaven.
2. Day and night woman must be kept in dependence by the males (of) their (families), and, if they attach themselves to sensual enjoyments, they must be kept under one’s control.
3. Her father protects (her) in childhood, her husband protects (her) in youth, and her sons protect (her) in old age; a woman is never fit for independence.
5. Women must particularly be guarded against evil inclinations, however trifling (they may appear); for, if they are not guarded, they will bring sorrow on two families.
Even the Mughal empire and the authority of Muslim kings for more than two centuries and the British rule for nearly two centuries failed to improve the status of women in Indian society.
It’s this entrenched low status of women in Indian culture that makes them easy fodder for rape, burning and violent assault, both within the family setting and outside.
Birth of a son in Indian society is considered a happy event while the birth of a girl is often greeted with sorrow. This is most true of Hindu families. No surprise then that female foeticide and infanticide in India run very high. The movie Matrubhoomi mentions at the end that 35 million girls are missing in India over the last 100 years because of gender discrimination.
Just Economic Liberalization
Economic emancipation of women, who work outside the home in increasingly large numbers these days in the urban milieu at call centers, retail stores and software development centers, has not been accompanied by significant social emancipation.
The picture of Indian women can only be worse in the rural hinterlands.
Look at the below table to see the growing incidence of crimes against women in India in recent years:
Mera Bharat Mahan.
This is last thing what I wanted to hear. It was obnoxious, irritating when reports of men raping 3 year girls comes in to news. And I don’t know what to speak of this now. It’s impossible to imagine the plight of the daughters.
On the other side, I think the men involved in the three recent incidents must have bought Manusmrithi on one fine sunday in a local market. They must have read clearly the book. After reading Manusmrithi, they have realized the low status of the women and started raping their daughters.
Oh common ! If everything is seen through religious basis, what about this http://news.google.co.in/news?pz=1&cf=all&ncl=1315467244 .
I’m almost vexed up by the so called people using that stupid book as a reason for all the follies in India.
1. Hindu religion is the dominating cultural influence/context in India and so has to be taken into account.
The Manu Smriti example was cited to provide a historical background to the low status of women in Hindu culture/society.
Of course, there could be other explanations like runaway hormones et al.
2. Cultural context matters in horrific crimes. Could the Holocaust have happened elsewhere. Daniel Jonah Goldhagen wrote in Hitlerâ€™s Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust that wholesale murder of Jews cannot be attributed to just some Nazis but ordinary Germans were complicit and willing participants in the slaughter.
In Austria too, there were precedents before the recent Elizabeth Fritzl case. There was the Natascha Kampusch case.
See this story in Times Online. Excerpt:
Other generalization could be “Men are the real reason for all these incidents. Things would have been possible had men didn’t exist in the first place. Every men in this world has to be castrated so that women live a peaceful life ”
Blame it on the tropical climate too. Let’s bring back the ice ages and cool the passions.
Now this has got to do with which religion ?
Has anyone checked what’s in the water Mumbaikars drink?
You are gravely mistaken. What I’m trying to say is you are using this ‘incest episode’ to spit venom against a religion/culture which truly forbids (often to extreme level) incest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#Hinduism
Regarding Manusmrithi, that idiotic book is self contradictory in many parts.(May be it was not written by a single person). Here are the few verses : (from Georg Buhler’s translations )
3.55. Women must be honoured and adorned by their fathers, brothers, husbands, and brothers-in-law, who desire their own welfare.
3.56. Where women are honoured, there the gods are pleased; but where they are not honoured, no sacred rite yields rewards.
3.57. Where the female relations live in grief, the family soon wholly perishes; but that family where they are not unhappy ever prospers.
3.58. The houses on which female relations, not being duly honoured, pronounce a curse, perish completely, as if destroyed by magic.
3.59. Hence men who seek (their own) welfare, should always honour women on holidays and festivals with (gifts of) ornaments, clothes, and best of food.
3.60. In that family, where the husband is pleased with his wife and the wife with her husband, happiness will assuredly be lasting.
No,No I would never dare to support Manusmrithi. The problem is the so called people shout , shout and then burn Manusmrithi , feel better and then forget the problem which actually doesn’t yield any fruitful purpose.
1. All religion is nonsense and deserves to be spat upon.
Given the Indian context and the large number of Hindus in the sub-continent with all their silly rituals and asinine practices, Hinduism deserves a bigger gob of spit.
Of course, this is not to justify the proselytizing Christian monkeys with their Condoms aggravate AIDS idiot Pope or the Islamic Jihadist crackpots with their beheadings, no music, no dancing, five-times-a-day prayer nonsense.
2. Not sure if Manu Smriti is contradictory but it certainly places women much below men (going by the examples we cited in the post).
It’s as if “Look Look hey cheap hindus ! you are followers of Manusmrithi, you are barbarians, you are an awful lot” – And this Hindu must have never heard of Manusmrithi and that book was made his holy scripture. So much for being a Hindu.
I sometimes wonder what pleasure does it give them by just generalizing a community as a whole.
I’m not convinced with these statements.
“Even the Mughal empire and the authority of Muslim kings for more than two centuries and the British rule for nearly two centuries failed to improve the status of women in Indian society”.
Anyway, it’s your way of deriving pleasure i suppose.
The emancipation of women in Europe(from late 1700’s) and even in America is of recent change (late 1800’s). Indians did not get enough time to see through their culture as they are being ruled and were a dead society for centuries just producing babies for almost 1000 years.
Finally , I’m a modern Carvakan. I always believed Hinduism is dynamic and is of course.
To Myself : ” Why don’t you do your work man rather than proving to people that your culture is not as bad as it is being projected. May be you are not happy that an Indian would say these things. Had it been an American who thinks that all Indians are cow worshippers you would have calmed down. ”
1. Of course, some Hindus are barbarian as are those who believe all the nonsense spewed forth by the priests and ‘holy’ books and build temples, churches and Gurdwaras or Mosques or turn a Nelson’s eye to the massacre of their fellow citizens merely becaus they have a different sounding name.
In the last few years:
* A Hindu tantrik tells a businessman he’ll become more prosperous if he sleeps with his daughter. The poor girl gets raped for nine years.
* Some Hindus in Orissa are angry with some Christian missionaries from Australia. They set fire to the jeep in which the man (Graham Staines) and his two young sons are sleeping. All three perish.
* Believing that Muslims killed their Hindu brethren in a train (that some hold was really an accidental fire), Gujarati Hindus engage in wholesale massacre of Muslims as the local BJP-ruled government plays the fiddle.
* Attacking churches and vandalizing their interiors and terrorizing minorities, as in parts of BJP-ruled Karnataka.
Surely, there are many more such incidents, both reported and reported, in India.
(Offtopic: We predict that the Swaminarayan followers will split from Hinduism in less than 100 years. Not sure how big the Swaminarayan wave is in India, but they are quite aggressive here, building a lot of temples in the U.S., diversifying into business…)
2. Is Hinduism more tolerant compared to other religions. Some may think so but our NRI non-Hindu friends in the U.S. tell us they feel very insecure when they visit India these days.
3. Is Hinduism dynamic? Probably not. Caste and meaningless rituals still rule strong in some urban domains (like marriages) and over much of the rural hinterlands where about 65%-70% of the country lives.
I SEE UR ARTICLE I BECOME SAD BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW WHY MAN DO THESE THINGS? IN POINT OF VIEW THIS GAYS LIKE A PICKLE AND GOVERMENT NOT DO ANY THING ABOUT THAT MATTER WHY? IN PAKISTAN ALSO I SEE THESE TYPE OF CASES.
MY OPENION IS LADIES NOT GO TO POLICE STATION THEY SHOTOUT ON THE SPOT THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE. I PRAY TO MY ALLAH TO SAVE ALL YOUNG LADIES.
Incest exists is everywhere. And yes, religion needs to be spat on. But your choice of title to get more hits is almost as cheap as incest. Shame on you.
Go ahead, shoot the bearer of ill tidings.
Are Indian Dads Developing a New Hobby – Raping Daughters?
Wow! [deleted] we don’t consider this as hobby…it is a sin. [trash talk]
dei sori naye…daughter rap e unakku hobby…theruporuki naye…[Trash Talk] ne urupadama poda…It is really pain that u are saying fathers are develpoing a hobby of rap ing the daughters…..shit learn…think good…be good…go to temple or church…be civilized…always few bad people around the world …just simply don’t highlight the bad things as HOBBY…Please learn to think and live Healthy.
Please write in English or at the least provide an English translation for the drivel you type.
You are depriving folks of a good laugh.
The issue of abuse of girl child has been present in India since a long time.
Here is one excerpt:
In Pre-Independence period in India, before Child Marriage was officially banned, girls were married at a very young age.
In one of the incidents, a 10 year old girl died when her husband, who was a aged man, had sexual intercourse with her. When the incident came to notice, the British passed a law banning sexual intercourse with girls with age less than 11 years. The result, Indian activists protested against the law with fervor, calling it anti-Indian Culture.
Such is our history.
Mera Bharat Mahan.
As a answer to whether Hinduism supports incest.
All the holy books of Hinduism are full of stories (or legends) of incest between God and Goddesses.
Also, incest was common in Aryan (ancient Indian) society. The evidence can also be found in all present day Indian villages, where for example: marrying first cousin in same family is acceptable. Not only villages, but I was shocked that such incidences of close marriages were acceptable in well to do educated (or rather, literate) families. Incest is a pan-India phenomenon.
You write: marrying first cousin in same family is acceptable
Among Tamil Brahmins, we’ve heard of uncles marrying their nieces.
Not sure if the practice still exists.
Yes, the practice still exists.
When I was in Hyderabad, one of my office colleague’s brother delivered a baby boy. The colleague proudly told us that she was happy that her daughter now has a suitor. The colleague was a degree holder from Australia.
Another friend in office was getting married to his father’s brother’s (Uncle) daughter.
I have also seen people who fancy their cousins.
Truly mind boggling.
I don’t know why I’m feeling so agitated regarding this post – may be because people doesn’t study well to blame a culture/community.
Anyway, @sugat123: “All the holy books of Hinduism are full of stories (or l”egends) of incest between God and Goddesses”
—Even I have heard of a story which says ‘The age of Kali ( Dark ages in Hindu mythology ) started on Earth when a brother married his sister’.
@sugat123: You should have done some research man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_couple
In south India , Marriages between only cross cousins are allowed . (From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#Hinduism)
“In some South Indian communities, where gotra membership passed from father to children, marriages were allowed between uncle and niece, while such marriages were forbidden in matrilineal communities, like Malayalis and Tuluvas, where gotra membership was passed down from the mother. A much more common characteristic of south Indian Hindu society is permission of marriage between cross-cousins (children of brother and sister). Thus, a man is allowed to marry his maternal uncle’s daughter or his paternal aunt’s daughter but is not allowed to marry his paternal uncle’s daughter, a parallel cousin, who is treated as a sister”
—Your case of marrying a father’s brother’s daughter will not be accepted socially .
@Regarding child marriages: That was why Hindu Reformists came. did some good jobs.
A notable Indian who married his cousin – Satyajit Ray (married his first cousin Bijoya Ray).
Being a Hindu, I am not a follower of it. It’s the religion that has to be blamed whether it’s poverty, riots, ritual killings and rape.
I think the discussion deviated, it was about RAPE not about marriage…. A lot spoken about hinduism here, surprisingly all these fathers are hindus.
i dont see any contra in verses of Manusmriti quoted by SI and Stitha ……you need to read and understand properly …
Lack of proper understanding of religion ….or aethism … can defn be attributed as a reason for such crimes ….though not the only one …….
if these dads had read – “Her father protects (her) in childhood ” …….then they would not commit such incestous crimes
You write above: aethism … can defn be attributed as a reason for such crimes
Ridiculous. What’s atheism got anything to do with rape of daughters by dads?
You are starting to sound like the Pope now.
SI : Even the Mughal empire and the authority of Muslim kings for more than two centuries and the British rule for nearly two centuries failed to improve the status of women in Indian society.
I didnt understand this Mughal / Muslim Kings part ….you mean in Islamic countries / Muslims … status of women is much better ??? …..
No, we are referring to India. Mughal empire at its pinnacle was basically India (Of course, Pakistan, Afghanistan were also part of the empire).
You are right – the status of women in Islamic countries is worse.
What we were trying to say was that prolonged rule by Muslim kings made no difference to the hidebound Hindu tradition, culture and practices.
This article gave me the chills. Eww! I think all those men require psychiatric counseling, it is too sick to comprehend. I’m just surprised that these sick crimes dont make it to media hitlists like the Aarushi case or the Jessica Lal case. Maybe it would create more awareness then.
Regarding that worthless book, Manusmriti, I’m amazed that is even a book of this sort. It should be banned, torn, burnt, whatever.
First, thanks for the feedback.
Your source of knowledge is Wikipedia. Remember content in Wikipedia is easily modifiable.
“â€”Your case of marrying a fatherâ€™s brotherâ€™s daughter will not be accepted socially . ”
I just gave you what I saw. Whether Wikipedia believes it or not doesn’t alter the reality.
“@Regarding child marriages: That was why Hindu Reformists came. did some good jobs.”
The spirit of change for good is not present in Hindu society. As a result, Casteism, Sati, Child Marriage and other evils perpetuated in Hindu society for more than 1000 years. And, many evils are still perpetuating today.
When British came to India, one of task for British was to spread Christianity. Many British Historians undertook the study of sacred Hindu literature. (Remember to study Hindu literature was only restricted to Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishas. But Kshatriyas and Vaishays never bothered much about it and the interpretation of the literature was left to Brahmins. Even Brahmins used to mindlessly perform customs and rites without bothering to find the interpretation).After translating these Hindu texts, the historians opined that there was nothing worthy in these texts, as Hindus claimed. Using this knowledge, the British Historians scathingly attacked the Hindu literature. This infuriated the Hindus who never bothered to look into their own history. Now under British attack, the Indian historians took the task of finding something worthy in Indian history. Thus, the concept of Indian history by Indians was born.
There were many facts in the Hindu literature which were embarrassing for Hindus themselves. Many Historians modified the history to show their ancestors in good light and many facets of history itself.
(Objective history is something that Indians cannot digest. The most recent example is ransacking of Oriental Institute in Pune by Sambhaji Brigade.
There is also example when Govt. Of Maharashtra published Riddles in Hinduism (by Dr. Ambedkar) the whole city went on riot. But eventually the book was published. )
Some of the Hindu people acknowledged the facts and started the Reformation. But it must be remember that the Reformation was merely a eyewash. They didn’t want to change the core of the Hindu society. It was like treating brain cancer with head ache pills.
I hope this answers you question. If not, please comment. I have a lot good Objective history which I can share with you and others.
Sugahraat123, Stitha said she doesn’t want to come back to SI again.. so you can go ahead and share the objective history with the rest of us.
You said The colleague proudly told us that she was happy that her daughter now has a suitor.
it is common to “joke” *rolling eyes* that way.. don’t read too much into it.. you just didn’t get the “joke”.
I agree with Stitha’s statement that marrying paternal cousin did not use to be socially acceptable.. atleast in the south, while marrying the maternal cousin used to be common.
Marrying you cousin is unacceptable, unless your cousin is superhot.. no not really .. because of as most of you know.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consanguinity#Genetic_disorders )
So people, don’t marry your cousins, don’t even try making babies with them.
What punishment will these monsters get?
7 years in prison ? Life term? Capital punishment? Whatever it is, it will be very light for the heinous crimes committed by them.
Wish we had some draconian punishment for rape in real life (more so for incest),like â€œKumbipagamâ€ as shown in â€œAnniyanâ€ (even though it was not for rape in the movie). These men donâ€™t need psychiatric counseling as Asha said, au contraire, a whole bunch of blood sucking leeches should be let loose â€“ only on their dicks, to devour it completely, the man must be conscious and see it disappear inch by inch. This surely will make these psychos – to feel the pain and agony their daughters must have gone through.
Will Garuda Purana come – to reform our laws & punishments?
In India there are 381,446,079 Men in the age group of 15 to 64( 2009 estimates)- lets presume 25% of that figure are not married / dont have children. It leaves us with 286,084,559 Indian Dads.
Just because 4 psychopaths commit rape/incest ( which is 0.000001% of dads), you are generalising the rest of 286,084,555 dads and asking :
Are Indian dads developing a new hobby – Raping their daughters?
The next time when just one or two psycopaths (0.000001% of dads there) go on a rampage, shooting in a school in USA, killing innocent children and teachers, will your post heading read as: Are American dads developing a new hobby – Shooting innocent Children?
Think it over.
You write above: The next time when just one or two psycopaths (0.000001% of dads there) go on a rampage, shooting in a school in USA, killing innocent children and teachers, will your post heading read as: Are American dads developing a new hobby – Shooting innocent Children?
Think it over.
Yes, we thought it over. Thought it over deeply, as a matter of fact.
And these recent developments are what we came up with:
1. Santa Clara Indian Dad Shoots Three Innocent Children
2. Los Angeles Indian Dad Shoots Three Innocent Sons
So, please modify your question to more appropriately read – Are Indian Dads in America Developing a New Hobby – Shooting Innocent Children?
Mera Bharat Mahan.
Are Indian Dads in America Developing a New Hobby – Shooting Innocent Children?
Not a laughing matter.. Idiot’s gonna be mad if he sees this.
We did provide links to credible sources.
Another Indian Dad shooting incident in the U.S. and the ‘hobby’ could turn into a trend. 🙁
We haven’t heard from idiot for a couple of days…maybe it’s gone for a brain transplant.
I am Legend, thanks for feedback.
I was not only answering to Stitha but to all.
Ok, I may be dumb to understand the joke. You can go to AP and inquire yourself about such customs. If you find contradictory to what I say please inform me so. I am mentioning AP because I had been there and shared what I experienced.
You can ask me whatever question you want. I will in my best ability will try to answer it.
And please don’t try dumb jokes like Sugahraat (it should be Suhagraat). This was the most dumbest one about my name.
it may be misspelled, but atleast it was original.. 🙂
Thanks for the offer to answer to my questions.. I have a couple..
So there have been more jokes about your name…
Question #1: Tell me the most intelligent joke about your name.. and if possible list all the jokes about your name.
I never said said the practice is not there.. My comment was specific to this woman.
Question #2: Can you please call her up and confirm if she was really going to go through with her “joke”?
Bonus question: Is that woman hot?
Guess you would have already read this.. the names of the victims and other details of the santa clara killings
Yes, we read it earlier.
Hence the use of ‘South Indian’ in the headline (guess, you haven’t seen the new post yet).
Without mentioning how your headline justifies generalising 4 psychopaths with 286,084,555, you conveniently went on a tangent to cite 2 losers.
We are not taking here of generalizing a few tens, hundreds, thousands but hundreds of thousands – over 286 Millions!
Edukkum oru alavu vendaam? (doesnâ€™t generalizing need some restraint?)
1. Isn’t that what induction is all about – Inference of a generalized conclusion from particular instances (Merriam-Webster’s 11th Ed, P.637).
2. More to the point, the sum of our Incredible India posts points to a callous and putrified nation and a degenerate psyche notwithstanding the current phony euphoria generated by a few glitzy malls, 8% ‘growth’ rate and two or three dozen nukes.
BTW, we have subsequently elaborated on our previous response via a separate post Are South Indian Dads in U.S. Developing a New Hobby – Shooting Young Children?
We were wondering what happened to the dickhead…and lo and behold there you are.
“Thanks to satya for raising this issue” is it all because of Satya??!!!these things happening in INDIA??!! OH No Satya, its bad..pl stop it
Please add your middle name as WORST or BAD or USELESS or IDIOT or COLLECTOR or PISSED OFF or [Trash Talk] or [Trash Talk] or the villian of Arundathi…
Obviously, you need a screwdriver to fix one of your ‘loose’ screws.
You critize about Hinduism,Christianity,Muslim..and you talk bad about your own country..so..can we categorize you as………………………..(deleted)
You write above: You critize about Hinduism,Christianity,Muslim..
Hey cretin, the word is criticize.
Vandatanga comedy pasanga (here come the clowns).
Thanks for mentioning all those details with statistics..While the increase in numbers going up over the years indicates the sad state of more women still going through such things, the increase also indicates the number of women coming out and reporting the problem out in open.
However, I really do not think that religion has anything major to do with such creepy crazy acts. I believe a criminal is a criminal. They are just pathetic losers who have no identity and do not care about identifying themselves with the society in general which includes the specific sect they belong to.
Such issues are beyond caste and creed and need to be dealt with very seriously. Unfortunately our law is not so strict and no one therefore abides by it.
you said “Even the Mughal empire and the authority of Muslim kings for more than two centuries and the British rule for nearly two centuries failed to improve the status of women in Indian society”
check out the link below and see wat happened in pakistan yesterday and see the state of muslims who u hail as reformers
it shows how ignorant and impartial you are towards hinduism.
there’s plenty of such footages and disturbing images. thank god we are nt born in pakistan and especially as muslim..
1. Disturbing video.
Surrendering Swat to the Taliban was a big mistake.
You cannot appease animals like the Taliban. They will always want more.
2. You write: see the state of muslims who u hail as reformers
We’ve always said All Religion is Nonsense and aimed at weaklings.
It’s very sad to know that a father rapes his own daughter. Many parents acts as pimps for money or because of blind beliefs.
Raping itself is a very big sin whether it happens within family(Incest) or on an other person. Clearly religion is nothing to do with rape. None of the religions will preach to rape daughters. But the people will do. So there is no need to bring any religion in such a sinful act by anyone.
Whether such person is from Hindu, Christian, Islam or any religion for that matter, it clearly shows the degradation of values and beliefs in the society. Only spiritual and value based education can eradicate such sin from society.
quoting manu smriti is a total waste. I don’t understand what the author wants to prove. Whether he want to prove that these things never happens in his own religion? or just an another attack on the mother of all religions – Hinduism?
In fact most of the holy books are misinterpreted and misrepresented. So if you can’t understand the scripts don’t quote it.
1. There’s no such thing as a holy book….only idiotic readers.
Only schmucks and weaklings believe that any religion has any merit.
2. You write: I don’t understand what the author wants to prove. Whether he want to prove that these things never happens in his own religion
The only religion we follow currently is Jessica Bielism. 😉
wats abt “Jessica Bielism.” wats that?
Nothing wrong with using your head (at least occasionally). Believe us, we use it a lot and it hasn’t shrunk.
shadofax is not me if you had thought its me. But yeah, take this.
Raping daughters does not happen in US bcoz those desperate daughters rather love to have sex with their dads, so rape does not come into picture. Mothers love to seduce [trash talk] their sons. Taboo porn [deleted] is a proper depiction of a typical US family.
You are talking rubbish.
Here’s an update for you – One more Indian Dad is alleged to have raped his daughter – this time the girl was four-years-old.
Why do you talk rubbish?
First of all you are generalising few perverts influenced by Taboo style US life, to all Indian dads.
You say Muslim kings did not manage to improve the status of Indian women. Come on, everyone knows how Muslims treat women.
Finally you quote some arbit Hindu literature and conclude that Hindu women are being dominated. An Idiot are you? May be illiterate women are dominated but not everyone.
1. You write above: generalising few perverts influenced by Taboo style US life
Your above line must surely rank as the ne plus ultra of nonsense.
So, the U.S. is responsible if some drunk in Delhi rapes his four-year-old daughter or some whacko in Mumbai continually rapes his daughter over nine years?
Priyanka Gandhi’s father-in-law died recently…go right ahead and blame the ‘Great Satan’ for the old man’s death as well. Vandatangapa comedy pasanga (here come the clowns).
What’s in your head…No, we really don’t want to know.
2. You write above: You say Muslim kings did not manage to improve the status of Indian women.
What we meant was that centuries of the Mughal empire and the British rule failed to have any impact on the low position of Hindu women.
3. You write: conclude that Hindu women are being dominated. An Idiot are you? May be illiterate women are dominated but not everyone
Hindu women still live under the yoke of asinine rituals.
Maybe, you are not that familiar with Hinduism. Just because a girl wears jeans or other non-traditional attire doesn’t mean their position within the religion has changed noticeably. The only noticeable change (for the most part) is in their attire.
I read that link. Though most of it was crap, I agree to the family politics of Karunai-illada-nidi… I would love to castrate his whole family if I get a chance.
Hey wheres my other comment?
No cojones to post it?
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wen u have such concern abt wat is happening in india why dont come down to india honey? regarding the position of hindu girls… they are enjoying the benefits more than men. their standard had improved to be insurmountable.
compare with the muslim women? what had their culture given them apart from violence against them. i guess you wera glasses that finds fault only in hinduism. i havent seen any post against islam fundamentalists and their atrocities. may be u afraid in a way whether they gonna [trash talk] you? living miles ahead and talking bt a religion is quite easy .we can accept your views if you live one amongst us. after all every dog has its day and you are having some days…
1. You write above: after all every dog has its day and you are having some days…
Sakkai Podu Podu Raja, Un Kattale Malae Payathu. 🙂
2. You write: i havent seen any post against islam fundamentalists and their atrocities
We’ve said this a gazillion times – All religion is for imbeciles who need a crutch to navigate the treacherous shoals of life.
Except Jessica Bielism, of course. 😉
3. You write: wen u have such concern abt wat is happening in india why dont come down to india honey
Indiya Nadu En Vidu, Indian Enbathu En Peru…
Begging me not to post anything in this forum by email is much more dignified than this cheap, coward act of removing me from your database..Obviously after knowing ur pottai(coward bitch) nature with ur cheap tactics of posting [Trash Talk] if you cannot answer someone and removin them if u cant handle them, I wont be posting anything in this forum. So u need not take pains of removing me again… though i was against some of ur stupid posts, i liked ur writing style and caustic nature of the content.
i thought u r decently intelligent and bold enuf to express ur views openly and post/reply to all kinds of comments. i was even recommending ppl to check-out this site if they need some awesome timepass.. Now i kno who u r… just some rotten stink… a pottai(coward bitch)… balls to u for removing me… u can go ahead, remove me and automatically block any name registering as shadowfax_arbit. i dont give a damn __!__
Cut the feigned outrage.
Your parents would be embarrassed if they knew the filth you posted here (and that we deleted).
You would get not a single word of sympathy from anyone here if they knew the filth you wrote in the last sentence of your comment on 4/6/2009 at 1:25PM.
Do you think we don’t maintain a copy of all that’s posted here. Schmuck.
We don’t shy away from posting critical comments or responding to hard questions. But you crossed the line when you wrote trash about our family members. So we did the right thing and deleted your user registration.
Deleting your user registration is not a cowardly act (as you describe it) but the right thing to do in getting rid of cancer before it eats your vitals.
Despite some filth this time too, we have posted your above comment verbatim so that others can get a sense of the trash you write.
You can disagree with us all you like (and many here do), but a disagreement is no reason to write filth about family members. Comprende.
Ofcourse i din mean to hurt you, but if i had, then apologies…
I believe that a very important social issue has been discussed on this thread with commendable frankness.
Apart from incestuous rape, gang rape and its ease and frequency in India is taken very much for granted as well. So too with the wide prevalence of the rape of minors in India. Many social evils around the world get widely reported in the global press and raise concern around the world. The subject of widespread rape and the lack of concern or sensitivity about it in India needs to be taken seriously at the global level otherwise it will continue to be neglected within the country. Perhaps you need a feature film – think of what Slumdog Millionaire succeeded in displaying despite all the indignation within the country! Indignation against what?
But notwithstanding the occasional noise and fury, Indians are callously indifferent to the issue of rape. And we don’t see that changing any time soon.
Buddy, Godhra Train carriage was not some fire accident, please show me facts. Don’t tell me that nobody managed to open the doors and run away when the carriage was on fire. Buddy, why do you comment on something that we both don’t know. In doing this, you are stooping to such a low level that even our politicans don’t do. As for your attack on Hinduism, some of them is justified, but it isn’t a barbaric religion as you consider it to be. If it was barbaric then britishers and mughals would have been massacred the day they entered this country.
As for Manusmrithi, it is not at all considered as a holybook by any Hindu. Infact, during these 25 years of my life, I have never even read it or even seen the book during any religious rituals. So forget it.
Please don’t generalize hinduism as you see it. Of course it is your blog and you can write anything, but please do bear that some of your readers do get hurt badly. If you still want to do so, nobody is gonna stop ya. Why do you turn a blind eye towards the evangelists who are converting large amounts of people by exploiting their poverty? Biased yeah!!!!
1. You write: As for your attack on Hinduism, some of them is justified, but it isn’t a barbaric religion as you consider it to be. If it was barbaric then britishers and mughals would have been massacred the day they entered this country.
Hindus are by nature and temperament pussies, who run with their tail between their legs at the first hint of trouble. That’s one of the reasons why they could be subjugated with such ease for close to 200 years initially by a few hundred White men and later by a few thousand White men.
Despite their numerical strength and weaponry, the Hindu-dominated Indian army couldn’t even win the 1965 war with Pakistan (which most Indians are falsely led to believe India won). As Ramachandra Guha (presumably a Hindu, going by his name) says in his tome India After Gandhi, the war was at best a draw (P.400).
2. You write: Buddy, Godhra Train carriage was not some fire accident, please show me facts.
The Umesh Chandra Banerjee Committee appointed by the Government of India has found that the fire was accidental.
Also, see this BBC story:
3. You write: Why do you turn a blind eye towards the evangelists who are converting large amounts of people by exploiting their poverty? Biased yeah!!!!
Rubbish. On several occasions, we’ve clearly stated on this blog that we’re opposed to this conversion nonsense and that they must be banned because they create tensions in society. Most conversions in India are influenced by foreign money and God knows (truth be said, even he doesn’t) with what nefarious motives the money comes to India.
As we’ve said ad nauseum, ad infinitum, All religion is for idiots who need a crutch to navigate the hard road of life.
Come on, the pitiful state of the world goes completely against the concept of a benevolent God. We’ll accept that God (Ram, Robert, Rahim or some lil’ Chicken Manchurian) exists only if this God entity is characterized as a malevolent creature.
y r u keep reapeating “hindu society….hindu society”.
y r u making religion based problem
this crime is being comitted by some person regardless of their religion.
u r talking about history then let me tell u that PAIGAMBAR MARRIED A MINOR GIRL & RAPED HIS DAUGHTER. such type of incident is not happened in hindu history.
so my friend next time think hundred times before tageting any religion.
1. You write: y r u keep reapeating “hindu society….hindu society”.
Bcoz, most Indian men rapin dauters r Hindus nt Muslims. Dat is y.
We rd n nuspapr.
2. You write: such type of incident is not happened in hindu history.
How old were MGR’s heroines when he made a move on them. But that would be recent history not Hindu history, right?
Oh wait, wasn’t MGR a Hindu?